let's go back to the basics because it has been a while since we've talked about guantanamo. we've been averting our eyes from this problem partly because it seems so insoluble. there are 166 detainees only 20 of those are the real big fish, the terrorists that are going to be facing trial. 86 have been cleared by military and intelligence boards of the united states government to be sent back to their home country. some of those people were cleared during the bush administration in 2007. and they're sitting around stuck in this bizarre -- gwen: because? >> because politics got involved. two things happened. first, of course, back in 2010, congress, mostly republicans, some democrats, got alarmed about moving guantanamo prisoners to the united states even though there was a super max prison in ill-, the president's home state that could have been used. but that got blocked. then a second problem arose and that was that some -- there had been releases and transfers back over time including during the bush administration of the least threatening detainees. but some of them went